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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Fburtxds1 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:21 pm

To be honest with you, guys, I am already beginning to feel a deep sense of deprivation in the loss of our Politics Forum; even to the point of finding it hard to feel enthuisiastic about contributing to the other Forum Topics. I actually feel stifled and can't help but feel something very precious has been taken away.

I tried as best I could to keep track of the discussions and to step in occasionally to pull in the reins on a few individuals who tended to get slightly too profane or to get somewhat pit bullish. But I find that even then some people would be hypersensitive to certain turns of phrase or the use of intentionally mangled labels such as "Dumbocrats" or "Republidumbs", both of which are entirely accurate in my opinion.

An effort was made by our Administrators to afford members the option of not being included in these discussions. In fact, that option existed from the beginning through the simple expedient of selective participation. No one was forced to read those threads.

But even at their most tumultuous, those discussions were quite tame compared to the profane and troll ridden slugfests I've had the displeasure of sampling on other sites. That was precisely the reason this venue was so much more comfortable and enlightening. I find myself actually missing the somewhat rabid comments by Larry Marine on the Right and even the jaw-clench inducing and reactionary Liberal comments of Pete Hill, who I always suspected of being, at the very least, an intellectual if not genetic descendent of infamous "Wobbly" and Leftist martyr, Joe Hill.

Although my gut reaction to both of these individuals was often anger accompanied by a desire to fire back with blindly biased comments, I would most often step back and try my best to form a reasoned response. I found it a challenge that served to stimulate my brain, made all the more enjoyable because I was conversing with people I considered by brothers; not faceless entities of unknown pedigree.

Even so, it was often hard to retain my composure. I had to discipline myself into not letting my emotions get out of hand. That in itself was part of the charm and challenge. I will admit that not everyone is willing to take such great pains to treat those discussions as intellectual excercises rather than personal affronts. Those people should stay in the wading pool rather than try to swim with the sharks.

But now this privilege has been lost. This site is somewhat diminished in the Political Forum's passing. The fact is, however, that the subject of Politics will continue to raise its sometimes ugly head, even in the more routine forums and threads. Our Administrators may find themselves having to caution or even censure some contributors for getting into political rants where they are not welcome. But without a venue in which to vent, what recourse have those individuals? Ultimately they are probably going to go away, either by choice or by administrative edict.

The net effect, whether intentional or not, verges on repression. Perhaps that is what I sense and why I feel a loss of enthusiasm. I don't like the idea of losing something I had come to cherish and which I shared with so many friends.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Mike Florio on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:38 pm

[quote="jfmitchell"]Guess I missed the whole thing ... Darn it, I just love heated discussions where we can "talk like sailors". I read the feedbacks and found a pretty good percentage of those who liked the "fight" were shipmates of mine. But, as I never participated, I have no say except I sure wish I had known it was on here, I would have been on the site daily. You see I left because it's boring. Good Job you Indy Sailors, and my old basketball buddy. Mitch[/quote]

John: I'll never forget how hard you tried to coerce me into getting a tattoo in Portsmouth, England in 1969. (Wow! that's over 40 years ago!) Good to hear from you, old shipmate.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby jfmitchell on Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:12 pm

[quote="Mike Florio"][quote="jfmitchell"]Guess I missed the whole thing ... Darn it, I just love heated discussions where we can "talk like sailors". I read the feedbacks and found a pretty good percentage of those who liked the "fight" were shipmates of mine. But, as I never participated, I have no say except I sure wish I had known it was on here, I would have been on the site daily. You see I left because it's boring. Good Job you Indy Sailors, and my old basketball buddy. Mitch[/quote]

John: I'll never forget how hard you tried to coerce me into getting a tattoo in Portsmouth, England in 1969. (Wow! that's over 40 years ago!) Good to hear from you, old shipmate.[/quote]

Mike: If I'd have really tried you'd have my name on you chest .. Or Chuckie D.'s ... Life is good ... darn shame I missed that political forum, I don't know how to do this B.S. But I do speak my mind ... Heading for D.C. on 8-28-10 again to March, was there last August, then Sept a big surgery. I'm an old SeaDog and always will be ... Take Care
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby jfmitchell on Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:20 pm

[quote="dscmob"]John, you old sea dog you. I am so glad you are on the right side of dirt! Are you still planning that trip to Pensacola? I got a basketball hoop in the pool! And you can cuss all you want! Dave[/quote]

Dave ... Darn right I'm on the right side of the grass, turning 72 in 3 weeks and going dancing this Saturday night ... still got my moves (something you didn't have along with any B.B. skills) Man I wish I could go back to those days, we played some hoops. The only plans I've got is a major surgery in Sept. if I get through that who knows .... My memories of Pensacola are Al's Castle Bar (pastrami, corned beef and roast beef sandwichs) and Bartel's supper club, of course those are the days I drank ... so most of my memories are clouded. Must have been fun on that politics forum. But some of us were in the Navy and then there's us Sailors. Calm winds and following seas to you my frind.

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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Mike Florio on Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:31 pm

[quote="jfmitchell"]Mike: If I'd have really tried you'd have my name on you chest .. Or Chuckie D.'s ... Life is good ... darn shame I missed that political forum, I don't know how to do this B.S. But I do speak my mind ... Heading for D.C. on 8-28-10 again to March, was there last August, then Sept a big surgery. I'm an old SeaDog and always will be ... Take Care[/quote]

Chuck DeWitt! Now there's a name from the past. What ever happened to him? I think you told me years ago that Mike Uehling married his sister, but somehow they became estranged (Chuck and his sister, not Mike and his Wife). Chuck was quite the character, and pretty smart. He played a critical role in many great sea stories, some of which I have related on this forum.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby jfmitchell on Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:57 pm

[quote="Mike Florio"][quote="jfmitchell"]Mike: If I'd have really tried you'd have my name on you chest .. Or Chuckie D.'s ... Life is good ... darn shame I missed that political forum, I don't know how to do this B.S. But I do speak my mind ... Heading for D.C. on 8-28-10 again to March, was there last August, then Sept a big surgery. I'm an old SeaDog and always will be ... Take Care[/quote]

Chuck DeWitt! Now there's a name from the past. What ever happened to him? I think you told me years ago that Mike Uehling married his sister, but somehow they became estranged (Chuck and his sister, not Mike and his Wife). Chuck was quite the character, and pretty smart. He played a critical role in many great sea stories, some of which I have related on this forum.[/quote]

Chuck was Poo Bear, remember? Mike and Barb have been married a long time, but didn't hear anything between Barb and Chuck. I think he's in upstate NY somewhere. I get a Christmas Card and their annual "News Letter", but don't hear about Chuck. It would be great to sit around a computer room again and tell the stories that have somehow kept the Indy crew talking. I may have asked before but how about Mike Torshia (sp)? Ever hear about him?
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby blasher on Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:27 pm

Totally off subject:

Any ideas as to why the "quote" function doesn't always put the quote in a box (or at least separated) from the min text? Some forums seem to work but this one doesn't.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Fburtxds1 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:47 pm

I think it has to do with the fact that this particular section is tied into the Administrators' function. You'll also notice you can't edit or even delete your own entry after posting on this thread.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby mlouise_smith on Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:56 pm

So I had to go look, Restoring Honor March, Washington DC 8/28/2010. Something to thnik about!
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby blasher on Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:14 am

[quote="Fburtxds1"]I think it has to do with the fact that this particular section is tied into the Administrators' function. You'll also notice you can't edit or even delete your own entry after posting on this thread.[/quote]

I noticed that I couldn't edit my post for spelling. didn't want to delete, just fix my typing error.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby xds1 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:50 am

blasher wrote:Totally off subject:

Any ideas as to why the "quote" function doesn't always put the quote in a box (or at least separated) from the min text? Some forums seem to work but this one doesn't.


It does appear to be a permissions thing, I'm looking into fixing it so it looks right.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Mike Florio on Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:25 pm

Uhhhh... Perry - Does your avitar violate the politics ban?
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby xds1 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:38 pm

I've been reading and taking to heart many of the things said here in response to the removal of the politics forum. John and I are still batting ideas around but you find that you can't please everyone.

I've been one of those who was not too active around here for a number of reasons (some personal) but one of which was the tone of the politics forum. I started the original DS locator site (which evolved into this) with an idea of a place for DS's to reconnect with old shipmates & classmates. I know the idea wasn't exactly novel since classmates.com was already around at that time, but it seemed like a good idea for such a small & specialized part of the Navy. This site evolved from that because I didn't have the time to continue to maintain it properly and Penrod found this message board forum software which would be much more of a 'hands off' setup (admin wise). We now had a place to reconnect AND interact and felt right at home here with all of you.

The politics forum changed that for me... I realize that I am an adult and had the option to not participate and to simply ignore it. We had others complain and told them to do the same thing, but I reached a point where I felt it was better to simply stay away altogether than be around something that usually felt negative. I've heard similar things from a number of people who once were regulars here.

I'll get to the point here; we've agreed that the politics forum has become more of a detriment than an asset to this site. We’re not going to delete jokes from the jokes forum that are political in nature nor do we wish to get involved in (i.e. moderate) any and all discussions where the word "Democrat" or "Republican" are uttered. We'd rather not see more people leave based on negative feelings about the topics discussed on this site. We know that politics won't simply go away just because we don't talk about them, but the politics forum is gone until we figure out a better way to handle it, and possibly for good.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby xds1 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:39 pm

Mike Florio wrote:Uhhhh... Perry - Does your avitar violate the politics ban?


Nope :)
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby mlouise_smith on Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:17 pm

xds1 wrote:
Mike Florio wrote:Uhhhh... Perry - Does your avitar violate the politics ban?


Nope :)

I think it is kinda cool!
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