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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Doc Kivlighan on Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:21 pm

Always express your political viewpoints using an apolitical bias. :|
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby schrand on Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:24 am

This is an election year (Nov 2).
Oklahoma will be electing a new Governor, US Senators and State Representatives
Primaries are coming up on July 27th.

As a Veteran I'd especially like to talk about which crook we are electing.
This is going to be hard.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby mlouise_smith on Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:48 pm

The Political Foum is being removed, but I don't believe there was anything that said we couldn't still discuss politics as long as we observe the courtesies spelled out in the very first post. All we have to do is show a little restraint.

What I really miss is the casual banter with a good dose of inuendo, along with the really good well thought out discussions.. Some of the best at those posters have moved on and I wish they would come back.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby j eastman on Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:45 am

For those that are looking for political discourse, I frequent http://www.americasdebate.com/ for well thought out and reasoned arguments.

Check it out...
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby bkdaniels on Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:24 am

mlouise_smith wrote:The Political Foum is being removed, but I don't believe there was anything that said we couldn't still discuss politics as long as we observe the courtesies spelled out in the very first post. All we have to do is show a little restraint.

What I really miss is the casual banter with a good dose of inuendo, along with the really good well thought out discussions.. Some of the best at those posters have moved on and I wish they would come back.


I agree with Miriam. I miss that banter. I have missed supporting those that are having hard times as well as the support I have received here going through my difficult times. It would have been better if the political discussions had stayed in the political disscussions area........ but it was very often in the daily discussion section. I have enough negative things and people in my life without willingly exposing myself to name calling. As an adult, I choose to stay away from bullies. I didn't have the time to sift through the long rants to find the gems I was seeking at this site.

I love a lively discussion about almost anything when I have the time and energy.... but there is a time and place for everything.

Perry and John, I love this site and appreciate deeply all the work and strife you have gone through and continue to do, to make it available to us.

I am not as eloquent as Frank and the others so I can just hope that this pitable missive expresses my thanks to you all
for the comfort, support and entertainment that I have received here and hopefully I have contributed to yours also
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby paulechols on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:16 pm

I am thankful fot this site. Because of it I have cnnected to some really nice people that share a large common reference in my life,, the DS rate.

The people responsible for giving us this site have done a wonderful thing. Any decision they make should be respected.

When I heard that there were DS's that no longer wanted to particopate due to the political discussions I was shocked and saddened at the same time. I hope the individuals that no longer participate will come back. I enjoyed the political discussions for the most part and will miss them. I would much rather have the opportunity to associate with more DS's than talk about a bunch of crooked politicians.

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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby whitesmoke on Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:32 am

Oh no..I'm baaaack - missed you folks. Just reading this thread I remember what I do like about DS's - their creative ways of getting
'round the rules. This "Removal of the Politics Forum" thread has turned into somewhat of a politics forum in and of itself. Clever!

Just so you know - I didn't go on hiatus due to the politics. Being one of six, possibly seven liberals left in this country is punishment
enough for me, thank you. Reason I sky'ed for a bit is I saw that although my feelings run deep, I was disappointed in my ability
to articulate them. Expressing my self very much has quite obviously never been my problem, but expressing myself very well is
a leap I've always had a hard time pulling off.

BTW - since I've been gone I've had a go at book-binding, ATM refurbishment and shagging calls on Dell laptops. Also have a shot
at a 2nd job working with a guy who designs and builds his own high-end audio equipment. There were two younger fellows in the
running, but my archaic knowledge of vacuum tubes (an audiophile's delight) gives me a leg up. Wish me luck and check out this
guy's site: http://www.aminaaudio.com

Glad to be back,
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Fburtxds1 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:15 am

It's great to have you back, Mark! I for one have missed your input.

Being a dedicated bibliophile I am intrigued by your comments about book-binding. That sounds like a lot of fun. Way back when, I visited Colonial Williamsburg, and one of my favorite exhibits there was the booksmith shop. I always thought it would be very rewarding to rebind a lot of the books I've accumulated. Of course now I've switched most of my book collecting over to e-books. I guess one could adapt to that, but there are just very few options when it comes to rebinding a Kindle.

As for the audio equipment gig, most of the enthusiasm a lot of true audiophiles show for that sort of hardware is lost on me. I'm afraid I've got a bad case of tin ear. Most music sounds okay to me no matter what kind of equipment it's played on. However, I served on my ship with a DS2 named Jack Brocious who could tell the difference between the sound a pin and a needle made when dropped on the deck of an engineroom of a ship traveling at flank speed. It was kind of spooky.

He liked to buy high-end stuff and got one of the first quadro-phonic rigs that came out. He was real hot-to-trot about the new digital audio technology when it debuted, but I've often wondered if his enthusiasm waned when it turned out that digitizing is accomplished at the expense of non-audible frequencies. I understand that the true believers in audio fidelity claim that a lot of the nuances are lost when the supposedly non-audible frequencies are discarded.

For me personally, I couldn't say one way or the other. But I picture in my mind people like Jack being perpetually disappointed in the quality of sound coming out of run-of-the-mill stereo equipment. I guess this would be one of those times where ignorance is, indeed, bliss.

As for the vacuum tubes, where the hell do you find those things anymore? I've heard the only people making them anymore are the Russians. They must be expensive as all get out. Anyway, good luck to you in your new endeavors.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Doc Kivlighan on Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:55 pm

Fburtxds1 wrote:It's great to have you back, Mark! I for one have missed your input.

As for the vacuum tubes, where the hell do you find those things anymore? I've heard the only people making them anymore are the Russians. They must be expensive as all get out. Anyway, good luck to you in your new endeavors.

As an exanple:
Checkout the availability, types and pricing for tubes.
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby whitesmoke on Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:34 am

Yeah - if you look at the pricing on the tube amps and preamps on that link from my previous post you will definitely see.

Frank - as regards bookbinding - the actual work involved is one thing - the hard part is not making a mistake. Because
if you do, you've not made one mistake, you've made 500 mistakes. But I enjoyed it - as a lifelong reader it was somewhat
a labor of love. But, they ran out of work. Something about too many people using Kindles now or something.... :)
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Mike Florio on Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:10 pm

Fburtxds1 wrote: I understand that the true believers in audio fidelity claim that a lot of the nuances are lost when the supposedly non-audible frequencies are discarded.
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As for the vacuum tubes, where the hell do you find those things anymore? I've heard the only people making them anymore are the Russians. They must be expensive as all get out. Anyway, good luck to you in your new endeavors.


A couple of years ago I replaced my 40-year-old AR2ax speakers with a modern set of 6 speakers (mostly for home theater reasons). The new ones are tiny compared to the ARs - 2 front, a center, 2 rears and a powered sub woofer. I was amazed with the sound that came from those speakers. As a test I listened to some tracks from CDs, then the same tracks from vinyl records played on my old, but still good DUAL turntable. The records had only been played once or twice, as I had transcribed them to reel-to-reel tape (again, 40 years ago). The records sounded fantaboulous. The reel-to-reel tapes sounded just as good after I rebuilt the tape deck. (Yes, there are still parts available for 40-year old TEAC decks). The CDs were OK, but not as good as the other two media. I don't know that I can describe the difference, I only know I think I heard it.

As for tubes, there is still an underground of tube fanatics around. My good friend Mike Fallon, before he died a couple of years ago, maintained a stock of 5000 tubes, carefully cataloged and stored in his basement. Some of them were quite rare and valuable, and real pieces of art in their own right. Delicate wires, plates and coils in intricate patterns, encased in thin glass bulbs. He helped me out when I rebuilt the power supply in my 1950s vintage Allen Synchrograph distributor machine.

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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby rkrum on Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:49 pm

Hey, us crazy ham radio types (like me) STILL use tubes. I still have four radios full of tubes--a genuine Collins R-390--85 pounds of communications receiver that can hit the theoretical limit ( -141 db) on a signal and still pull it out, an HQ-170 receiver, and a Heathkit SB-300/SB-400 pair. Maintenance nightmares, all of them, and yes, they literally glow in the dark--the meters on the R-390 have radium on the dials still...besides all the tubes glowing.

And yeah, you can still get tubes for these beasts--if you know where to look (like in my garden shed).

Of course, since I'm totally lazy, I really use the modern stuff, but you gotta admit that the tube-hardware does tend to sound a lot better.

I just sold a stack of Collins hardware to a buddy that had the time to get them them on the air again--they still sound great--and keep his shack warm in the winter...
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Fburtxds1 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:49 pm

Although I'm not an Administrator or even a Moderator of any sort anymore, it was requested that I move the discussion of vaccuum tubes over to a dedicated thread. So despite the fact that I'm neither of the aforementioned functionaries and, in fact, know zilch about vacuum tubes anymore, I will create a new thread on another forum topic and attempt to copy the tube-centric comments from this thread to it. This topic does seem to have struck a chord amongst us.

Anyone wishing to continue this fascinating discussion on VACUUM TUBES may do so at:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5053&hilit=
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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby Sassy Sioux on Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:47 pm

rkrum wrote:I have VERY mixed opinions about removing the Politics forum. Censorship is, IMHO, a very bad thing, period, and this smacks of censorship...

Yes, it gets controversial, mean-spirited, and verbally violent at times. That's when it seems to be the most interesting.

However:

1) You don't have to read it. We have a choice...all you need to do is 'mark all topics as read,' and it's gone. Gritching and bitching and threatening to take your ball and go home is something that we all should have grown out of once we were wearing long pants and short hair.

2) You don't have to get upset at it. We're (hopefully) all adults. We can disagree if we want to. I for one object MIGHTILY to the limited number of persons of Norwegian/German descent participating in our forums, but you won't see me getting upset about it (much)

3) If you think political views will go away just because the 'politics' forum is not there, you are living in a dream world. I, for one, refuse to leave politics out of it, and they will just end up in the dailies, where they will be even harder to suppress, and piss even more of the delicate types off..

4) We got into the DS rate to do things (military) that many folks do not agree with, however, that is life, and we need to get on with it.

5) Free speech should be encouraged, not limited here. We all served in the Navy in part "To defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America," some died doing it, and I for one, keep that in mind every time I see a bunch of people protesting stuff I happen to disagree with...Political discourse can be violent, messy, and nasty. Real shooting wars are quite a bit worse. I'd rather encourage discourse than suppress it.

6) I would seriously request that decisions of this sort not be taken lightly, that good judgement prevail, and that politics, no matter how repugnant to some, HAS a place in our lives--hell, its not making my life particularly stable at present--I work for a defense contractor (sigh)..

7) Just talking about what nothing other than we did in the Navy rapidly gets repetitive, boring, and DULL, DULL, DULL, no matter how much fun we may or may not have had doing it. I,for one, would rather talk/read more about a LOT of other things, and besides, my kids quit regularly asking "What did you do in the Navy, Daddy?" a HORRIBLY long time ago. (Smart kids)

Bottom line; Leave it in. The folks with an issue on it can ignore it, the ones that like to bash politicians should have at--I'm sure the elected bozos running our country into the ground richly deserve all the ass-kicking they get, even though they don't read our stuff.

A place to vent is just fine with me. If someone wants to leave our site because of political discourse, other user's perceived attitudes, or because there are not enough Hazel-eyed Norwegian/German members, SO WHAT--let them go. Membership in this forum is still VOLUNTARY. If they want to ignore the forum, let them. But there are those of us that LIKE to get into exchanges on politics--don't tell me I can't get politically incorrect on a regular basis, please...because I will studiously and deliberately ignore you. And I'm not aerodynamically correct either.

Basically, if someone can't stand the heat--stay outta the kitchen. Hurt feelings are part of life--we're not here to wrap each other in cotton-wool and speak soft, gentle words that stick in our throats. We are Humans, we talk, we shout, we rage for and against injustice, and THAT is what makes us INTERESTING. I'm not into discussing cute puppies, purring pussycats, or just being old and boring, full of repetive stories about bygone days that are mostly lies anyway. I do that to my fellow workers enough as it is... If I want to discuss puppies, I'll go talk to my cute little pack of dogs--don't need to do that here..

Kick ass, take names, and keep it in the politics forum. Less messy that way...and a hell of a lot more fun.


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Re: Removal of the Politics Forum

Postby paulechols on Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:19 am

I am of the opinion that we should debate bring back the Political Forum. Our lives are so influenced by the political idiots today and many of us would enjoy letting some steam off in the forum. I remember the reasons it was removed as well. Lack of respect and some down right insulting comments.

I think we should try again and set some rules. If we break the rules the forum goes away!

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